3rd person sensitvity issues/advice

[npc frank]

Something I've noticed is that happens in a lot of third person shooters (most recently Marvel Rivals) is that certain things affects my sensitivity/camera rotation. One of the things I've noticed that's the most blatant (especially in Marvel Rivals) is that when your character is close to walls or right against the wall then it really cuts your rotation. I'm not sure if it's slowing the sensitivity or just poses issues for the camera to rotate, but either way, the effect is the same as far as it making your aim off. There seems to be different things in different TPS games that do things like this, and I was wonder if anyone has any insight into this and/or how to combat it (with game or config settings).

I'm especially looking for advice in Marvel Rivals since it's my new main game, and I can't find any consistency on why it seems to vary the sensitivity/camera rotation other than being close to walls, but it still seems to randomly happen even when you're away from walls.

[DPI Wizard]

3 minutes ago, npc frank said:

One of the things I've noticed that's the most blatant (especially in Marvel Rivals) is that when your character is close to walls or right against the wall then it really cuts your rotation. I'm not sure if it's slowing the sensitivity or just poses issues for the camera to rotate, but either way, the effect is the same as far as it making your aim off.

It does not change the rotation/360 distance, but it changes how it feels.

As far as I know there's nothing you can do about it unfortunately.

[npc frank]

Hey, DPI Wizard! I appreciate your quick response. I'm not sure if you mean it doesn't affect the rotation distance as in it won't change your base or it just doesn't affect it at all. But it does affect the rotation distance and not just change how it feels.

Look at this video I did measuring mouse rotation required to the edge of the pillar on the right-hand side of my screen:

https://streamable.com/qiipd0

The first test, far from the wall, is 1666

The second test, close to the wall, is 1970

As far as I've tested, this does not happen in any first person shooters I've played.

[DPI Wizard]

18 minutes ago, npc frank said:

https://streamable.com/qiipd0

The first test, far from the wall, is 1666

The second test, close to the wall, is 1970

As far as I've tested, this does not happen in any first person shooters I've played.

Ok, thanks for the video, that helps a lot! I actually thought you meant the other way; when you turn the camera and there's a wall or an object blocking the path of the camera, the camera moves closer to you so it affects your view.

What you are demonstrating is something else though, and I wonder if this is what causes so many to claim Rivals has acceleration? This has nothing to do with Rivals, acceleration or game settings, it's just an effect of the camera not being in the center of rotation (i.e. 3rd person). The pivot point is in the center of your character, so any object close to you will require more movement to target than seemingly overlapping objects far away. If you measure against an object "infinitely" far away, the movement will be the same, and in essence the same as in first person.

There's nothing you can do about this behaviour though, as both camera distance and distance to target is at any point unknown.

[npc frank]

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for explaining. I re-tested and got more accurate results measuring at something far away. Here's some interesting things for marvel rivals:

• This third person issue in my video actually still happens in first person when you use scope on black widow.
• Bullets actually come from the gun so the character (upper torso?) rotation throws off the aim from crosshair due to 3rd person
• My mouse movement program doesn't work correctly on this game unless I set it to move really slow. When I set it to move to a certain degrees or cm/360, I have to set it to move very slowly.
• If people are reporting mouse acceleration or like "skating feeling", in my experience that's because the sensitivity is too fast. I felt the same way when converting my cm360 based on the FOV the calculator shows: 90
  However, my sensitivity feels normal at 1.48 @ 800 DPI and 1.48 matches up a lot closer when using a far measurement like you suggested. I tested the calculators sensitivity to 360 conversion and that seems to be right so I think the issue is that the FOV is not 90. I think it's closer to something like 80. For reference I use 34.6364 @ 103 FOV as my base. Converting with (34.6354*103)/90 =39.639435 cm/360 , but 1.48 is 44.1313 according to the calculator and converting (34.6354*103)/81=44.0425

Edited January 15 by npc frank

[DPI Wizard]

18 hours ago, npc frank said:

• This third person issue in my video actually still happens in first person when you use scope on black widow.

The same issue is present here, although to a much lesser degree. The camera is still behind the center of rotation when scoping.

18 hours ago, npc frank said:

• If people are reporting mouse acceleration or like "skating feeling", in my experience that's because the sensitivity is too fast. I felt the same way when converting my cm360 based on the FOV the calculator shows: 90
  However, my sensitivity feels normal at 1.48 @ 800 DPI and 1.48 matches up a lot closer when using a far measurement like you suggested. I tested the calculators sensitivity to 360 conversion and that seems to be right so I think the issue is that the FOV is not 90. I think it's closer to something like 80.

The FOV is definitely 90, I measured again now to be absolutely sure nothing has changed. However, 3rd person FOV can feel very different to 1st person.

Your normal feeling sensitivity of 1.48 is very close to a MDV 0% match (which matches the tracking speed between different FOVs).

[npc frank]

18 hours ago, DPI Wizard said:

The same issue is present here, although to a much lesser degree. The camera is still behind the center of rotation when scoping.

The FOV is definitely 90, I measured again now to be absolutely sure nothing has changed. However, 3rd person FOV can feel very different to 1st person.

Your normal feeling sensitivity of 1.48 is very close to a MDV 0% match (which matches the tracking speed between different FOVs).

Yeah, you're right. Sorry to make you work again. I looked up how to find the FOV with the kovaaks guide on youtube (https://youtube.com/watch?v=WEtFBSlyyEM) and it measured 90 as well. It's interesting that 1.48 gives me close to the proper measurement when I measure far away, and feels more close to normal. I guess it has to do with it just being TPS that the cm360 conversion algorithm (cm360*currentfov/newfov) that I use doesn't work and feel the same the way it does on FPS games because of the way the camera pivots. In any case, thanks for your insight. I appreciate it.