IPS and acceleration (G)

[Wheaks]

@DPI Wizard Do I reach high ips and accel easier with a high dpi compare to low dpi, or both of them are only related to real life movement?

Edited October 20, 2021 by Wheaks

[DPI Wizard]

I don't quite understand your question. IPS?

[Wheaks]

10 minutes ago, DPI Wizard said:

I don't quite understand your question. IPS?

one of the specs of a mouse, ips=inches per second

Why Higher CPI Doesn't Mean Better | SteelSeries

[Wheaks]

19 minutes ago, DPI Wizard said:

I don't quite understand your question. IPS?

a part of What Makes the Rival 3 a "Gaming" Mouse? | SteelSeries:

Numbers to look for

Some brands artificially inflate their CPI/DPI numbers, so it's more reliable to start by looking at the speed that a mouse can track, since that's harder to fake. Mouse speed is measured in IPS, or Inches Per Second.

(Obviously, a sensor's performance is about more than just IPS, but it's a good place to start. Aside from speed, there are lots of other factors that make a sensor reliable, like signal processing and acceleration.)

Most beginner gaming mice have somewhere around 200 IPS, give or take. This means that you can move the mouse 16 feet (5 meters) per second without it getting confused.

However, we thought this was a bit low, since the human hand is capable of moving much faster than that. So we increased that baseline by 50% to 300 IPS on the Rival 3. This means that it tracks reliably at a speed of 25 feet (7.6 meters) per second.

(Pro tip: If you can't find the IPS number for a mouse, chances are it's a really low number that a brand doesn't want you to see.)

Edited October 20, 2021 by Wheaks

[Wheaks]

22 minutes ago, DPI Wizard said:

I don't quite understand your question. IPS?

How to Spot a Fake Mouse CPI | SteelSeries

[Wheaks]

guess I'll have to ask steelseries support

[TheNoobPolice]

You are getting completely lost in nonsense.

Those are marketing blogs from SteelSeries. No mouse that costs more than 20 bucks from a known brand made in the last 5 years has a "fake CPI", sensor issues, Native DPI, or any issues with baked-in acceleration. Stating the max physical acceleration stat of any such mouse is total hand waving as far as it would have any effect on your actual usage of the mouse. Unless you are Clark Kent, you are not moving the mouse at 200 Inches per second while playing a game.

FYI Steelseries' own TrueMove Pro sensor / firmware combo features smoothing at higher DPIs, which although not really a problem either a lot of people don't prefer, with both the Logitech Hero and Razer Focus+ and 5G Optical all having no smoothing at all CPI steps. 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/steelseries-sensei-ten/5.html

I notice they don't mention that in their blog.

TL:DR focus less on meaningless mice stats, and focus more on getting a shape, weight, feet, feature set and click feel that you prefer. These will actually have an effect on your play, unlike the technical spec sheet.

[Wheaks]

39 minutes ago, TheNoobPolice said:

You are getting completely lost in nonsense.

Those are marketing blogs from SteelSeries. No mouse that costs more than 20 bucks from a known brand made in the last 5 years has a "fake CPI", sensor issues, Native DPI, or any issues with baked-in acceleration. Stating the max physical acceleration stat of any such mouse is total hand waving as far as it would have any effect on your actual usage of the mouse. Unless you are Clark Kent, you are not moving the mouse at 200 Inches per second while playing a game.

FYI Steelseries' own TrueMove Pro sensor / firmware combo features smoothing at higher DPIs, which although not really a problem either a lot of people don't prefer, with both the Logitech Hero and Razer Focus+ and 5G Optical all having no smoothing at all CPI steps. 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/steelseries-sensei-ten/5.html

I notice they don't mention that in their blog.

TL:DR focus less on meaningless mice stats, and focus more on getting a shape, weight, feet, feature set and click feel that you prefer. These will actually have an effect on your play, unlike the technical spec sheet.

The smoothing really isn't a problem, it just add about 1ms of latency. 
Mouse shape, weight, feet, feature set and click feel don't really mean that much for me, they are not hard to adapt. 

Technical things are related to actual performance, I care about it, I don't understand, I ask, that's it.

What's the point of attacking one that has questions about what they r curious about, especially in a place where almost everything is about numbers?

I'm not desperate for the 1ms difference, stop acting like the most brilliant person, thank u.

Marketing blogs doesn't equal to nonsense, and I don't get information from there only.

You prefer the external, I prefer the internal, both of them are important, both of them are similar on different mouse, is there a point to be against each other?

Edited October 20, 2021 by Wheaks

[TheNoobPolice]

It actually adds 4ms of motion delay. If you would have bothered to read the link I sent as thoroughly as SteelSeries marketing posts, you would have seen that.

If you take someone informing you of facts and giving sound advice as "attacking" you, or "acting like a brilliant person" as an affront to your character that is only your issue I'm afraid.

Would you prefer people either don't reply to your topics at all or reply pretending they don't know too just so they do not offend your precious sensibilities?

Also, suggesting the huge variance of physical stats of mice on the market is not important and can be dismissed as "I adapt" but max acceleration is somehow important information is frankly laughable. If I gave you two identical mice, one with 200 IPS max accel, and another with 450 IPS not only would you not humanly be able to tell the difference, but neither would a machine that would track all the movements you physically made while playing, so much for "actual performance".

I'm well aware one can ask questions they are interested in, and that will be different for different folks, but you should also be aware when you ask questions that don't have any real-world relevance, that you should expect answers that point it out.

[Wheaks]

24 minutes ago, TheNoobPolice said:

It actually adds 4ms of motion delay. If you would have bothered to read the link I sent as thoroughly as SteelSeries marketing posts, you would have seen that.

If you take someone informing you of facts and giving sound advice as "attacking" you, or "acting like a brilliant person" as an affront to your character that is only your issue I'm afraid.

Would you prefer people either don't reply to your topics at all or reply pretending they don't know too just so they do not offend your precious sensibilities?

Also, suggesting the huge variance of physical stats of mice on the market is not important and can be dismissed as "I adapt" but max acceleration is somehow important information is frankly laughable. If I gave you two identical mice, one with 200 IPS max accel, and another with 450 IPS not only would you not humanly be able to tell the difference, but neither would a machine that would track all the movements you physically made while playing, so much for "actual performance".

I'm well aware one can ask questions they are interested in, and that will be different for different folks, but you should also be aware when you ask questions that don't have any real-world relevance, that you should expect answers that point it out.

true that I don't bother reading the link, I had already read something related from other places, who cares about 4ms delay?

I know u r not attacking me, I'm just annoyed.

I prefer people to think twice before replying

prob unnoticeable but I still prefer 450ips, just like people prefer a weight of 80g and lighter over 100g and heavier mouse.

I don't think my questions are virtual, if u think so you are still free to let your points out, and the conclusion is I think your reply is uncalled-for.

Edited October 20, 2021 by Wheaks

[TheNoobPolice]

"who cares about 4ms delay?"

Pretty much anyone interested in gaming with a mouse? Which is why smoothing is a hot topic in the hardware communities, and max IPS accel is barely ever mentioned.

"I prefer people to think twice before replying"

Shame you don't follow your own advice.

"prob unnoticeable but I still prefer 450ips, just like people prefer a weight of 80g and lighter over 100g and heavier mouse"

Do you understand what a false equivalence is? The first issue effectively does not exist and is undetectable, the second one would be detected by a 3 year old if asked "which one is heavier". Saying you prefer something that has no effect over something that obviously does, doesn't add any validity to your point - you are unironically saying that placebo is the most important factor for you.

Also, you still haven't seemed to grasp the extraordinarily simple premise of online etiquette that you don't need to constantly quote and therefore notify people to talk in a thread when you are replying to the comment directly above the one you are making anyway. But whatever, I'm not interested in helping you out anymore, and I don't see many other's being interested. Time for a block.

[MacSquirrel_Jedi]

1 hour ago, Wheaks said:

I prefer people to think twice before replying

you got me 

[Wheaks]

5 hours ago, TheNoobPolice said:

"who cares about 4ms delay?"

Pretty much anyone interested in gaming with a mouse? Which is why smoothing is a hot topic in the hardware communities, and max IPS accel is barely ever mentioned.

"I prefer people to think twice before replying"

Shame you don't follow your own advice.

"prob unnoticeable but I still prefer 450ips, just like people prefer a weight of 80g and lighter over 100g and heavier mouse"

Do you understand what a false equivalence is? The first issue effectively does not exist and is undetectable, the second one would be detected by a 3 year old if asked "which one is heavier". Saying you prefer something that has no effect over something that obviously does, doesn't add any validity to your point - you are unironically saying that placebo is the most important factor for you.

Also, you still haven't seemed to grasp the extraordinarily simple premise of online etiquette that you don't need to constantly quote and therefore notify people to talk in a thread when you are replying to the comment directly above the one you are making anyway. But whatever, I'm not interested in helping you out anymore, and I don't see many other's being interested. Time for a block.

'Pretty much anyone interested in gaming with a mouse? Which is why smoothing is a hot topic in the hardware communities, and max IPS accel is barely ever mentioned.'

Because low latency is accessible by everyone and IPS only matters for people who wants to flick as fast as possible which is minorities.

'Shame you don't follow your own advice.'

It hurts doesn't it?

'Do you understand what a false equivalence is? The first issue effectively does not exist and is undetectable, the second one would be detected by a 3 year old if asked "which one is heavier". Saying you prefer something that has no effect over something that obviously does, doesn't add any validity to your point - you are unironically saying that placebo is the most important factor for you.'

Do u understand what a false assumption is? The first issue effectively exist and is detectable although only minorities care about it, the second one is detectable by most people and they also care about it. The equivalence here is not the numbers of audience, it's only about did u care about it. I care about it, I ask my questions, I care about having a higher skill ceiling, even if I can't reach it, at least I'll never have to worry about hitting it. For example, John love cooking, just like Emma love swimming. The equivalence is same passion toward different aspects, none of them is wrong, you didn't throw away the thought of either something must be right or wrong. If I ever said a high IPS is so important that I can't play a game and live without it, then your opinions are right, but I'm literally just asking for an answer.

'Also, you still haven't seemed to grasp the extraordinarily simple premise of online etiquette that you don't need to constantly quote and therefore notify people to talk in a thread when you are replying to the comment directly above the one you are making anyway. But whatever, I'm not interested in helping you out anymore, and I don't see many other's being interested. Time for a block.'

Also, quoting people is an etiquette for me, and I really don't understand how it bothers people, like what?

You prob blocked me, but I'm still going to reply in case u didn't.

Last, can we just shake hands and end this argument? I'm not really angry about it.

Edited October 20, 2021 by Wheaks

[fortunate reee]

22 minutes ago, Wheaks said:

I care about it, I ask my questions, I care about having a higher skill ceiling

tbf i can somewhat spot this overarching theme of you going down this rabit hole picking up every artficial thing that could or could not hinder your performance down the road.

the  "I care about having a higher skill ceiling" part is the part that i believe you to be slightly missguided on.

hot take: hardware/ settings dont cap your skill ceeiling ( at least not this far down the rabbit hole) i know that is easy to forget but there are and have been really good players and some young kids slapping ass on hardware that is equivalent to a toaster.

just try to keep an open mind and not fall for every single optimisation thing out there, that makes life much more enjoyable.

 

[Wheaks]

9 minutes ago, fortunate reee said:

tbf i can somewhat spot this overarching theme of you going down this rabit hole picking up every artficial thing that could or could not hinder your performance down the road.

the  "I care about having a higher skill ceiling" part is the part that i believe you to be slightly missguided on.

hot take: hardware/ settings dont cap your skill ceeiling ( at least not this far down the rabbit hole) i know that is easy to forget but there are and have been really good players and some young kids slapping ass on hardware that is equivalent to a toaster.

just try to keep an open mind and not fall for every single optimisation thing out there, that makes life much more enjoyable.

 

True, I know that jumping from 60fps to 144fps is major, but 144 to 240 is smaller; jumping from 200ms to 50ms is major, but 50ms to 10ms is smaller. Basically how every everything goes.
BUT, If I can improve any of them, I'll still go for it if my bank support.

Edited October 20, 2021 by Wheaks

[Wheaks]

8 minutes ago, fortunate reee said:

tbf i can somewhat spot this overarching theme of you going down this rabit hole picking up every artficial thing that could or could not hinder your performance down the road.

the  "I care about having a higher skill ceiling" part is the part that i believe you to be slightly missguided on.

hot take: hardware/ settings dont cap your skill ceeiling ( at least not this far down the rabbit hole) i know that is easy to forget but there are and have been really good players and some young kids slapping ass on hardware that is equivalent to a toaster.

just try to keep an open mind and not fall for every single optimisation thing out there, that makes life much more enjoyable.

 

I'm not unsatisfied with my current setup, but if I am able to upgrade, why not? 

Edited October 20, 2021 by Wheaks

[Wheaks]

22 minutes ago, fortunate reee said:

tbf i can somewhat spot this overarching theme of you going down this rabit hole picking up every artficial thing that could or could not hinder your performance down the road.

the  "I care about having a higher skill ceiling" part is the part that i believe you to be slightly missguided on.

hot take: hardware/ settings dont cap your skill ceeiling ( at least not this far down the rabbit hole) i know that is easy to forget but there are and have been really good players and some young kids slapping ass on hardware that is equivalent to a toaster.

just try to keep an open mind and not fall for every single optimisation thing out there, that makes life much more enjoyable.

 

I also know what u mean about falling into a bottomless pit, thanks for advice and I'll try my best to stay 'conscious'