How to check is my dpi causing pixel skipping?

[Wheaks]

@DPI Wizard My mouse support a range of native dpi from 100 to 3500, I'm currently using 3200 dpi (very hard to control but viable for me) but am unsure about it causing pixel skipping.

Edited October 17, 2021 by Wheaks

[TheNoobPolice]

DPI doesn't cause pixel skipping.

"Pixel skipping" is a term that refers to an in-game sensitivity value that returns a minimum turn distance (degrees turned in game per single count from the mouse) at a given FOV, that is then greater than is represented by the pixel resolution at screen centre.

Unless you use a very high in-game sensitivity value, it's incredibly unlikely that you would pixel skip even at modern resolutions of at least 1080p, especially if you use 3200 dpi, as you are likely to use a low in-game sensitivity value.

foe example if I was playing CSGO at 1440p which as a fixed FOV of 74 degrees vertical, the sensitivity of 2.712866 at default yaw of 0.022 degrees returns a pixel ratio of 1. If I increased the sensitivity anymore than that, it would result in a minimum angle greater than 1 pixels distance (pixel skipping). As long as the sensitivity is below that, there is no pixel skipping, regardless of the DPI value from the mouse.

Edited October 17, 2021 by TheNoobPolice

[Wheaks]

11 minutes ago, TheNoobPolice said:

DPI doesn't cause pixel skipping.

"Pixel skipping" is a term that refers to an in-game sensitivity value that returns a minimum turn distance (degrees turned in game per single count from the mouse) at a given FOV, that is then greater than is represented by the pixel resolution at screen centre.

Unless you use a very high in-game sensitivity value, it's incredibly unlikely that you would pixel skip even at modern resolutions of at least 1080p, especially if you use 3200 dpi, as you are likely to use a low in-game sensitivity value.

Native dpi means better precision, what does the precision refer to?

Edited October 17, 2021 by Wheaks

[Wheaks]

7 minutes ago, TheNoobPolice said:

DPI doesn't cause pixel skipping.

"Pixel skipping" is a term that refers to an in-game sensitivity value that returns a minimum turn distance (degrees turned in game per single count from the mouse) at a given FOV, that is then greater than is represented by the pixel resolution at screen centre.

Unless you use a very high in-game sensitivity value, it's incredibly unlikely that you would pixel skip even at modern resolutions of at least 1080p, especially if you use 3200 dpi, as you are likely to use a low in-game sensitivity value.

I do use high dpi+ low in-game sens to achieve high speed and high precision at the same time at the expense of much tinier control.

[TheNoobPolice]

"I do use high dpi+ low in-game sens"

Then you don't have pixel skipping because you use low in-game sens.  The other words your wrote make no sense at all to be honest and are not at all relevant to the question.

[Wheaks]

8 minutes ago, TheNoobPolice said:

"I do use high dpi+ low in-game sens"

Then you don't have pixel skipping because you use low in-game sens.  The other words your wrote make no sense at all to be honest and are not at all relevant to the question.

What do you mean no sense?

[DPI Wizard]

1 hour ago, Wheaks said:

@DPI Wizard My mouse support a range of native dpi from 100 to 3500, I'm currently using 3200 dpi (very hard to control but viable for me) but am unsure about it causing pixel skipping.

As already mentioned, DPI isn't what causes pixel skipping. Pixel skipping is only related to the sensitivity in the game, FOV and resolution.

[Wheaks]

44 minutes ago, DPI Wizard said:

As already mentioned, DPI isn't what causes pixel skipping. Pixel skipping is only related to the sensitivity in the game, FOV and resolution.

May you give me some advices on which dpi would be better technically? my sensor is truemove3

[DPI Wizard]

Just now, Wheaks said:

May you give me some advices on which dpi would be better technically? my sensor is truemove3

I would recommend using the DPI your are most comfortable with in Windows so you don't have issues when using the pointer in games doing inventory management etc.

[Wheaks]

4 minutes ago, DPI Wizard said:

I would recommend using the DPI your are most comfortable with in Windows so you don't have issues when using the pointer in games doing inventory management etc.

Is there any downside of 3200dpi besides hard to control?

[Wheaks]

@DPI Wizard Is the dpi of a mouse fixed even that it may be different from the stated dpi, or the dpi is constantly changing?

[TheNoobPolice]

Wheaks said:
"What do you mean no sense?"

I mean that the statements that you made, specifically: 

 "Native dpi means better precision, what does the precision refer to?"

and 

"....high precision at the same time at the expense of much tinier control."

are complete gibberish. Also, since I answered your question comprehensively in the first comment, kindly stop pinging me.

[Wheaks]

On 10/19/2021 at 1:06 AM, TheNoobPolice said:

Wheaks said:
"What do you mean no sense?"

I mean that the statements that you made, specifically: 

 "Native dpi means better precision, what does the precision refer to?"

and 

"....high precision at the same time at the expense of much tinier control."

are complete gibberish. Also, since I answered your question comprehensively in the first comment, kindly stop pinging me.

It's ok that u don't understand, I don't blame u.
Also, I quoted you thrice...now fourth to reply only, what do u mean stop pinging u lol.

try moving 0.125 pixels/count with 3200 dpi, then u will know what I mean high precision+tiny control although I'm pretty sure that most people including u don't think that a pixel ratio that low benefits anymore, just personal preference at this point 

From steelseries support:

Hold up to your seat! Because I'm about to explain a lot of stuff here hehehe

The short answer is... Native DPI means better PRECISION. (But if you get used to it you might get away with it)

The long answer is "It's entirely up to the user preference." Native DPI means that the mouse can achieve an certain numbers of "Dots-Per-Inch" without using a multiplier to get there.

That means that some High DPI mice actually use upscaling to reach the resolution that they claim. So lets say a mouse is advertised as being able to go to 6000DPI, one method that some manufacturers use to achieve this is to put a 2000DPI sensor in and upscale the reading. If the mouse is set for 3000DPI, the sensor will set itself at 1500DPI and the mouse hardware doubles the value of the reading from the sensor. If the mouse is set to 6000DPI, the hardware just triples the reading.

If your mouse is set to 1600 DPI, the mouse will clear the height of your 1080p display in less than an inch of mouse movement, but it won’t quite make it across the 1920 pixel width in an inch. It will go 1600 pixels in that inch.

“So... why not just up my sensitivity instead of getting a higher DPI mouse?”
Remember, it’s a multiplier. That means instead of going every one pixel, you’re going every two, three, or some rounded up number based on the collected decimal amounts. In short, sensitivity adjustment can lead to the mouse losing precision. If you want to hit pixel #3, but you’re on a sensitivity of 2, your cursor will be moving to pixels 2 and 4. Bringing it down to 1 means hitting every pixel, and any lower could additively skip a few every so often as the decimals add and round up or down.

@DPI Wizard You may read this too.

btw thanks to both of telling me dpi doesn't cause pixel skipping, I wondered if not only high pixel ratio skip pixels but also non native dpi (I'm afraid that the actual native dpi is lower than advertised) will skip counts and seems like it won't, it just has lower precision and higher motion delay. Still not exactly sure about what the precision refers to tho

Edited October 19, 2021 by Wheaks

[Wheaks]

On 10/17/2021 at 11:54 PM, Wheaks said:

@DPI Wizard Is the dpi of a mouse fixed even that it may be different from the stated dpi, or the dpi is constantly changing?

@DPI Wizard I acknowledge that dpi will most likely to be different from stated, but still don't know is it always the same, or same but different value on h&v, or always be a lil different from the previous one? 

[DPI Wizard]

1 minute ago, Wheaks said:

@DPI Wizard I acknowledge that dpi will most likely to be different from stated, but still don't know is it always the same, or same but different value on h&v, or always be a lil different from the previous one? 

Unless you have a terrible mouse the DPI will be constant, but what it is exactly will normally be slightly off what you set it to. You can test the real DPI in the DPI Analyzer.

[Wheaks]

1 minute ago, DPI Wizard said:

Unless you have a terrible mouse the DPI will be constant, but what it is exactly will normally be slightly off what you set it to. You can test the real DPI in the DPI Analyzer.

Cool.

The dpi analyzer is too hard for me to test accurately by human hand tbh

[DPI Wizard]

3 minutes ago, Wheaks said:

Cool.

The dpi analyzer is too hard for me to test accurately by human hand tbh

You don't really need to test it at high DPI, the offset will usually be about the same across the range (with exceptions of course).

So I would recommend testing it at 400 DPI moving 4 inches.

[Wheaks]

5 minutes ago, DPI Wizard said:

You don't really need to test it at high DPI, the offset will usually be about the same across the range (with exceptions of course).

So I would recommend testing it at 400 DPI moving 4 inches.

https://i0.hdslb.com/bfs/article/watermark/245ce7b138136c6b145c5c50bdb5eea0689c7d54.jpg@942w_501h_progressive.webp
 

https://i0.hdslb.com/bfs/article/watermark/393d60fd771adbd7482fe4bfd207ac04e23ea6e9.jpg@942w_776h_progressive.webp

it do be different although not alot.

still hard for me no matter the dpi, thanks for suggestion anyway. 

wait the images' links don't work

Edited October 19, 2021 by Wheaks

[Wheaks]

 

18 minutes ago, DPI Wizard said:

You don't really need to test it at high DPI, the offset will usually be about the same across the range (with exceptions of course).

So I would recommend testing it at 400 DPI moving 4 inches.

This is chinese

Edited October 19, 2021 by Wheaks

[Wheaks]

can't delete so I just left these words lol

Edited October 19, 2021 by Wheaks

[MacSquirrel_Jedi]

I really don't understand why there are so many tests on internet focused on DPI variations. And people are like, oh my got what i will do  

It has absolutely nothing to do with mouse precise... Most important is, if the DPI is stable during fast / slow movements (tracking). 

It will not limit you in any case if you are using just one mouse.

Edited October 19, 2021 by MacSquirrel_Jedi

[DPI Wizard]

1 minute ago, MacSquirrel_Jedi said:

It will not limit you in any case if you are using just one mouse.

Yeah, it's really only important when you swap to a new mouse, as the difference on the same DPI setting might be quite significant.

[Wheaks]

10 hours ago, MacSquirrel_Jedi said:

I really don't understand why there are so many tests on internet focused on DPI variations. And people are like, oh my got what i will do  

good to know that it will not affect precision. dpiwizard already answered me too.

10 hours ago, MacSquirrel_Jedi said:

It has absolutely nothing to do with mouse precise... Most important is, if the DPI is stable during fast / slow movements (tracking). 

It will not limit you in any case if you are using just one mouse.

the review does test the accuracy/stability during fast/slow movements of 10ips, 30ips, 50ips at 400, 800, 1600, 2400, 3200, and max stated dpi.

[Wheaks]

10 hours ago, DPI Wizard said:

Yeah, it's really only important when you swap to a new mouse, as the difference on the same DPI setting might be quite significant.

true, but quite easy to adapt tbh