randomguy7 Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 I did a video about a reddit post from here: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/5wn3dg/elige_explains_pixel_skipping_and_turns_out_its/debe51b Here's the video. I'd love it for this site to add this feature! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7EICVElyEs&feature=youtu.be WhoCares? 1
Wizard DPI Wizard Posted October 29, 2018 Wizard Posted October 29, 2018 I've been meaning to add this for years actually, but never got around to do it. I'll work on it for the next update, with a calculation for how many counts/pixel you have and what sensitivity equals 1 count/pixel. randomguy7, WhoCares? and jabbothehut 2 1
Skwuruhl Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 1 count is 1 pixel is dependent on the location on the screen. For the center of the screen it's unsurprisingly match distance for 1/960th of the screen (for a 1080p monitor). However for the edge of the screen it's a bit more complicated. The equation I'm using is (arctan(1/960*4/3*tan(90*pi/360))*180/pi-arctan(0/960*4/3*tan(90*pi/360))*180/pi)/.022 Which is basically (1st pixel's degrees away from 0th pixel)/m_yaw (counting pixels from the center of the screen) To get the multiplier m_yaw needs so that 1 count is equal to that number of degrees. So CS:GO http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(arctan(1%2F960*4%2F3*tan(90*pi%2F360))*180%2Fpi-arctan(0%2F960*4%2F3*tan(90*pi%2F360))*180%2Fpi)%2F.022 3.61716 sensitivity But for pixels at the far right of the screen (960th pixel's degrees away from 959th pixel)/m_yaw (counting pixels from the center of the screen) which is (arctan(960/960*4/3*tan(90*pi/360))*180/pi-arctan(959/960*4/3*tan(90*pi/360))*180/pi)/.022 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(arctan(960%2F960*4%2F3*tan(90*pi%2F360))*180%2Fpi-arctan(959%2F960*4%2F3*tan(90*pi%2F360))*180%2Fpi)%2F.022 1.30305 sensitivity If you apply this to AWP Zoom 1 the sensitivity multiplier would be 0.817919 (when the default is 0.444444) for a horizontal match distance of ~621%. Unless I made a mistake in my equation, you probably shouldn't set your sensitivity based on 1 pixel per 1 degree at the edge of the screen or really any part at all. (worth nothing that a pixel is a completely arbitrary unit of measurement and has no direct link to perceivable skipping). Edited November 4, 2018 by Skwuruhl jabbothehut 1
randomguy7 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) I only use center, and i am very sensitive to direct pixel by pixel movements because muh autisms. But thanks- its a "middleman calculation" for sure. I made that phrase up, but it fits well. It isnt stupid if it works. Edited October 30, 2018 by randomguy7
randomguy7 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Posted October 30, 2018 I only use degrees to measure how much i would need to move a single pixel in one count, and how many inches a full 360 would be at a count per inch.
Skidushe Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, randomguy7 said: I only use degrees to measure how much i would need to move a single pixel in one count, and how many inches a full 360 would be at a count per inch. What use does this have to you if not an upper bound on sensitivity since it's dependent on resolution? And why do you choose to call it a 'middleman calculation' ?
randomguy7 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) You gotta calculate the degrees you turn with one pixel for say 120 fov, then divide that by 360 and invert to find the number of counts you would need for that, and divide the total counts needed your dpi to find your inches per 360. Its just easier for me to aim, one pixel at a time Edited October 30, 2018 by randomguy7
Skidushe Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, randomguy7 said: You gotta calculate the degrees you turn with one pixel for say 120 fov, then divide that by 360 and invert to find the number of counts you would need for that, and divide the total counts needed your dpi to find your inches per 360. Its just easier for me to aim, one pixel at a time What DPI do you play at?
randomguy7 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Posted October 31, 2018 200 for a total of 17.45 inches ler 360 after calculations feels top smooth to be placebo since that dpi is trash
Arramis Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 This is cool stuff. However is there any actual reason beside preference, that this is better than having more than 1 count per pixel?
randomguy7 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Posted October 31, 2018 Not really. It just feels great. Boosted my ktd too.
randomguy7 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) Use windows or osu! and all monitor distance vertical 0% Edited October 31, 2018 by randomguy7
Drimzi Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, randomguy7 said: I only use center, and i am very sensitive to direct pixel by pixel movements because muh autisms. But thanks- its a "middleman calculation" for sure. I made that phrase up, but it fits well. It isnt stupid if it works. Center pixel is just 0% monitor distance match, which is already in the calculator. 1 hour ago, Arramis said: This is cool stuff. However is there any actual reason beside preference, that this is better than having more than 1 count per pixel? 1 count per pixel is just an arbitrary constraint. There is nothing special about this. Less rotation per count will always look smoother, and more counts will always be more responsive. If you went from a 720p monitor to an 8k monitor, you wouldn't have to suddenly change sensitivity to prevent skippy aim, as the angular rotation will be the exact same. The benefit here, at least when it comes to matching the center pixel, is that the sensitivity will scale proportionately with the fov and the mouse sensitivity will feel most similar to the pointer speed. You don't have to use 1 count per pixel though, the Windows sensitivity is there for a reason. While maintaining the distance for a pixel, you can go as far as 32 counts with the lowest Windows sensitivity. Edited October 31, 2018 by Drimzi potato psoas 1
randomguy7 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Posted October 31, 2018 You misunderstand. In the games I play, a headshot can be 32 pixels. You'd need pixel by pixel aim, I use the same in/360 but different dpi.
Drimzi Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 Pixels is relative to the screen. The head could be 32 pixels on yours, or 320 pixels on mine. You can think of the monitor as a window to the game, and the pixels as a wire-screen panel bolted to the window. The room is rotating. How you perceive the movement is dependent entirely on the rotation. The wire-screen panel is irrelevant. When it comes to 'skipping', it's not about the pixels, it's about the degrees turned per count. The main benefit in this is to 'match' the sensitivity of the desktop, not to try prevent 'pixel skipping'. When matching the desktop sensitivity, you are constrained to matching the distance for the center pixel. For now, with our low resolutions, a pixel is representing a large area of the world, so a low windows sensitivity is highly recommended when matching the desktop sensitivity in order to make the angle increment small enough. But in many years time, that requirement will go away as pixels get smaller and smaller. Matching a pixel only matters if your matching desktop sensitivity, as the cursor increments in pixels. But for everyone else who is just worried about skippy aim, then it has nothing to do with pixels. WhoCares? 1
randomguy7 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Posted November 1, 2018 I prefer to aim with pixels. I prefer to set my degrees equal to pixels moved. I know all this already. You cannot change my mind.
randomguy7 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) And even then, it doesnt matter what makes it skippy. Only that it FEELS skippy. I tried increasing my dpi to tye same in/360. It felt worse, i aimed better when I tracked pixels. Degrees are invisible! You SEE pixels. You should therefore aim pixels. If i asked which part of the screen the degree you wouldn't be able to do it. Degrees are inferred and measured, but pixels are seen. You'd describe the mesh wire by how many holes it moves and by how smoothly it does so. You would know its not moving holes- but you SEE the holes. By counting pixels move you are skipping steps visually (or conceptually). Degrees can be whatever, they are meaningless, of an abstract conceptual value. Edited November 1, 2018 by randomguy7
potato psoas Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 3 hours ago, randomguy7 said: You SEE pixels. Only if you sit real close to your monitor. You should trust us, 0% monitor match does pretty much what you're asking to do. It maintains muscle memory at the crosshair.
randomguy7 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Posted November 1, 2018 I'm using that, for monitor distance vertical, for windows sensitivity. it's in the video!
Skidushe Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, randomguy7 said: I'm using that, for monitor distance vertical, for windows sensitivity. it's in the video! The argument they're making is that 1. you're effectively using 0% monitor match, by matching at the pixel next to your crosshair, you're having a monitor distance match percentage of 1/n - 1/2n = 1/2n Where n is the number of pixels from the centre to the edge. This leads to 1/(no. of pixels along edge) for vertical on a 1920x1080 monitor that's 1/1080 = 0.0925...% monitor distance match and for horizontal or a 1920x1080 monitor that's 1/1920 = 0.0521...% monitor distance match In terms of the calculator, these both effectively = 0% in fact I wouldn't be surprised at this level if it even rounded them to 0% Any why have this variation in mm% across different resolutions when you could just use a set monitor distance match? The argument they're making about why they think this is pointless is because everything in the game works on the angle of you have in the game world, not what you see on screen. So theoretically you could move your mouse such that the screen doesn't change, but you've moved in the world just not enough to register it on your screen, and this theoretically could be the difference between hitting a head shot and not. Imagine you have a player so far away his head is aliased out of existence, most people won't hit this shot anyway, but if we think theoretically, it would be impossible for you to hit the shot and someone with a lower sensitivity who skips less angles could as they could in effect aim between the pixels. This makes the overall experience feel smoother too. Plus, with a higher DPI and lower sensitivity, the exact same thing will happen, after n counts, our screen will move one pixel just as yours does in one count. But if it's what you're comfortable with and you're not going to give up then stick with it Edited November 1, 2018 by Skidushe
randomguy7 Posted November 4, 2018 Author Posted November 4, 2018 I have watched my ktd, and I play better with this method. I like making my screen match the degrees in the game.
MuntyYy Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 11 hours ago, randomguy7 said: I have watched my ktd, and I play better with this method. I like making my screen match the degrees in the game. Placebo. That's what I thought and said when I played with 100% mm.
MuntyYy Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 If you did that for years, then I would've believed it
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