Call of Duty: Black Ops 4

[zdfgzdfg]

1 hour ago, stereo3D said:

1. sens is higher because the fov is higher.

2.1 imho it would be best to use MDV 0 % and lower your hip fire sensitivity until you reach the same 360° distance as 25 scope sens.

2.2 if you want to keep you hip fire sens then you would have to lower the ads multiplier in bo4. (convert from widowmaker to bo4 all)

3. no, sens will scale with FOV according to you conversion setup.

Thank you so much for answering! Unfortunately, this just confused me even more

 

1. sens is higher because the fov is higher: I am assuming this is because I am using MVD instead of cm/360 like before. While using cm/360 FOV does not affect the result. Shouldn't it say "Affected by FOV: Yes" next to black ops info when using MVD to convert in that case?

 

2.1 cod hipfire sens same as widowmaker scope 360?? I play OW on 4000 dpi, wiht 25% that's 1000 edpi.... 1000 edpi for hipfire in COD? That seems extremely low... I know some ppl coming from games like CS:GO tend to play with v low sens but THAT low? How would I even check corners or do a 180 turn when flanked? I am not sure I understood you correctly here, I tried it out of curiosity and even on 40cm+ mousepad that feels just ridiculous to look around.

2.2 Unless I understood the above wrong I do want to keep my hipfire sens while having ADS feel as close to widow scope as possible. You say to lower my ads multiplier and my question is to WHAT lmao. Correct ADS multiplier is what I was after since the beginning. I just do not understand what other numbers am I supposed to tweak to find the correct one. EDIT: see screenshot below

 

3. this one is pretty clear except I still don't get why it says "affected by FOV: no" in BO4 game info.

 

 

EDIT: after banging my empty head against the wall a bit more this is what I ended up with (COD hipfire sens rounded up on purpose):

 

It still feels a bit wonky to be honest, but this is the absolute closest I got the ADS to feel like my widow scope. Thanks to @stereo3D. I am thinking I am probably not used to the engine/FOV/whatever and it will get better over time, especially for scopes.  Overall seems like the thing I was doing different before was setting ADS mouse sens  to relative which resulted in ~0.77 ads multiplier for me and felt waaay off. I  still to this moment do not understand why does it have to be converted with 178% MVD instead of any other value and that is what I was missing.

 

I would really appreciate if anybody can point out any obvious mistakes I have made. So far it feels better than it ever has but maybe it can get even better ;). I would also like to understand why do ppl recommend converting from All to All, instead of from widow scope straight to ADS like above. When converting from All to All there is seemingly no way to input your widow scope - multiplier 1 for OW is greyed out and the calculator assumes (an arbitrary?) value of 49.48, with no way of changing it as far as I can tell except for tweaking MDV % (and that messes up the calculations even more I imagine), and even then lowest it will go with MDV0% is ~38...

[stereo3D]

"affected by fov" means that the game scales sensitivity with the hip-fire fov, which isn't the case in bo4.

you should probably try MDH 0 %.

[zdfgzdfg]

After hours of trial and error, I finally found something that feels "right". While it might not be the same for you (as I use relatively high sens for my hipfire and relatively low one for scopes/ADS), IF OVERWATCH IS YOUR MAIN FPS GAME AND YOU PLAY UNHEALTHY AMOUNTS OF WIDOW AND THE SETTINGS RECOMMENDED ABOVE BY SMARTER PEOPLE FEEL "OFF" IT MIGHT BE WORTH A TRY.

Below I show an example of what to fill in the calculator. The example is for a widowmaker player with silly settings, just to illustrate:

Overwatch hipfire sensitivity: 20.00

Widowmaker Relative Zoom sensitivity: 13.00

DPI: 1600

Calculated Black Ops 4 hipfire sensitivity: 19.98278

 

Select all the options highlighted with green as on the screenshot above (make sure ADS options are correct in COD as well). Input all the fields highlighted with red with your correct settings, leave the rest on default.

 

This is the ONLY conversion method that feels "right" to me straight away. I can pick up a gun I never shot before with an attachment I never used before and as soon as the zoom ADS animation kicks in my brain knows exactly what kind of sensitivity I am going to deal with, I do not have to move my crosshairs around for 30 second to get a feel for it. I can't ask for more:).

Couple more words about the options:

FOV: if you do not know what to pick, 103 is same FOV as overwatch. Personally, I am going to play on 120 because I just can't tell a difference, hipfire aim feels exactly the same.

ADS FOV: this is a personal preference, you can try it both ways. I ended up with Independent because it has that "scoping in" feeling.

ADS mouse sensitivity: this is where I wasted most of my time. I tried several combinations of relative sens with different values matched by MDV. Nothing ever felt right. The ADS reflex felt good at best and ok most of the time. But every other attachment would feel terrible. The recommended MDV178%/1.78 was the best match for ADS out of other relative combos I tried, at least when it comes to flicking, but tracking always felt terrible no matter what numbers I put in. When I moved my crosshair by more than 1/4 of my monitor it almost felt like smoothing is being applied somewhere. I wish I could describe it better but it just felt bad for me.

 

If you tried above and it felt good or bad, please leave a post with your OW hip and sens scope, your DPI and your mousepad size, I am curious how it feels for other widows!

 

EDIT: reading the whole topic and now my post back, I feel kinda silly, since I haven't really suggested anything new. My problem was asking the impossible in the first place (make EVERYTHING feel EXACTLY like widow scope HURR DURR), and because I tried to convert from (All) to (All) which I still think is scary and confusing. Hopefully it is still useful for somebody else who got confused and just need stuff highlighted for them

Edited November 16, 2018 by zdfgzdfg

[zdfgzdfg]

19 hours ago, stereo3D said:

"affected by fov" means that the game scales sensitivity with the hip-fire fov, which isn't the case in bo4.

you should probably try MDH 0 %.

""affected by fov" means that the game scales sensitivity with the hip-fire fov", makes perfect sense now thank you

"you should probably try MDH 0 %." when converting from Overwatch (All) that would also assume my scope being 1:1 to my hipfire and after reading forums here for few hours to actually understand what that means, I realized I like my scopes/ads way slower than that. Fortunately in a post above I found settings that fit me perfectly. But I am still kinda curious where the 178% value came from exactly. Anything from 0-100% makes sense, I mean I am going to stick with 0 but I can see how somebody can prefer it higher up to 100. But more than that? Wouldn't that mean the sensitivities don't match up perfectly anywhere on your monitor, in which case anything from 0-100% would be objectively better? Even though I imagine the differences being minimal for the most people, isn't the best achievable precision kinda the whole point of a site like this :)? Only answer this if you are actually bored, I understood enough of the subject to know it must be a nightmare to explain to people with no clue like me, over and over :)...

[stereo3D]

MDV 178 % = MDH 100 % at 16:9

let's say, hip-fire FOV is 120 and zoomFOV is 60, then both sensitivity and FOV get halved when zooming in.

[zdfgzdfg]

9 minutes ago, stereo3D said:

MDV 178 % = MDH 100 % at 16:9

let's say, hip-fire FOV is 120 and zoomFOV is 60, then both sensitivity and FOV get halved when zooming in.

"MDV 178 % = MDH 100 % at 16:9" SOLVED! Thanks.

"let's say, hip-fire FOV is 120 and zoomFOV is 60, then both sensitivity and FOV get halved when zooming in." just to be sure, does that hold true for MDV178%/MDH100% or MD0%? That kind of linear sens/FOV scaling is what I feel like I'm getting from using MD0%, and it feels pretty nice.

[Dawndrake]

3 hours ago, zdfgzdfg said:

After hours of trial and error, I finally found something that feels "right". While it might not be the same for you (as I use relatively high sens for my hipfire and relatively low one for scopes/ADS), IF OVERWATCH IS YOUR MAIN FPS GAME AND YOU PLAY UNHEALTHY AMOUNTS OF WIDOW AND THE SETTINGS RECOMMENDED ABOVE BY SMARTER PEOPLE FEEL "OFF" IT MIGHT BE WORTH A TRY.

Below I show an example of what to fill in the calculator. The example is for a widowmaker player with silly settings, just to illustrate:

Overwatch hipfire sensitivity: 20.00

Widowmaker Relative Zoom sensitivity: 13.00

DPI: 1600

Calculated Black Ops 4 hipfire sensitivity: 19.98278

 

Select all the options highlighted with green as on the screenshot above (make sure ADS options are correct in COD as well). Input all the fields highlighted with red with your correct settings, leave the rest on default.

 

This is the ONLY conversion method that feels "right" to me straight away. I can pick up a gun I never shot before with an attachment I never used before and as soon as the zoom ADS animation kicks in my brain knows exactly what kind of sensitivity I am going to deal with, I do not have to move my crosshairs around for 30 second to get a feel for it. I can't ask for more:).

Couple more words about the options:

FOV: if you do not know what to pick, 103 is same FOV as overwatch. Personally, I am going to play on 120 because I just can't tell a difference, hipfire aim feels exactly the same.

ADS FOV: this is a personal preference, you can try it both ways. I ended up with Independent because it has that "scoping in" feeling.

ADS mouse sensitivity: this is where I wasted most of my time. I tried several combinations of relative sens with different values matched by MDV. Nothing ever felt right. The ADS reflex felt good at best and ok most of the time. But every other attachment would feel terrible. The recommended MDV178%/1.78 was the best match for ADS out of other relative combos I tried, at least when it comes to flicking, but tracking always felt terrible no matter what numbers I put in. When I moved my crosshair by more than 1/4 of my monitor it almost felt like smoothing is being applied somewhere. I wish I could describe it better but it just felt bad for me.

 

If you tried above and it felt good or bad, please leave a post with your OW hip and sens scope, your DPI and your mousepad size, I am curious how it feels for other widows!

 

EDIT: reading the whole topic and now my post back, I feel kinda silly, since I haven't really suggested anything new. My problem was asking the impossible in the first place (make EVERYTHING feel EXACTLY like widow scope HURR DURR), and because I tried to convert from (All) to (All) which I still think is scary and confusing. Hopefully it is still useful for somebody else who got confused and just need stuff highlighted for them

What do you do with mouse_ads_yaw_ads_multiplier? This s very confusing to me. I followed what people said earlier for Ashe and bo4 and it doesn't feel right but I thought it was just a matter of getting used to,

[stereo3D]

12 minutes ago, zdfgzdfg said:

"MDV 178 % = MDH 100 % at 16:9" SOLVED! Thanks.

"let's say, hip-fire FOV is 120 and zoomFOV is 60, then both sensitivity and FOV get halved when zooming in."

just to be sure, does that hold true for MDV178%/MDH100% or MD0%? That kind of linear sens/FOV scaling is what I feel like I'm getting from using MD0%, and it feels pretty nice.

you can easily see this in the calculator by setting the sensitivity to 1.

zooming in from FOV 120 to FOV 60 results in a sens reduction  of 50 % with MDH 100 % and 67 % with MDH 0 %

zooming in from FOV 100 to FOV 50 results in a sens reduction  of 50 % with MDH 100 % and 61 % with MDH 0 %

[zdfgzdfg]

12 minutes ago, Dawndrake said:

What do you do with mouse_ads_yaw_ads_multiplier?

You set it in the config file to whatever got calculated. In my example above it says under COD:

Multiplier 1: mouse_ads_yaw_ads_multiplier="0.47249"

 

I looked at your other posts and found your settings: Overwatch 13.01, 49.05% scope, 1200 dpi. If you wanted to try it the same way I did, first you get your COD hipfire sensitivity using cm/360 (called 360 distance in calculator):

So your hipfire sens for Black Ops 4 is "12.99880".

Now let's check ADS sensitivity:

So set your mouse_sensitivity="12.99880" and your mouse_ads_yaw_ads_multiplier="1.29451" in CORRECT COD config.ini, change ADS mode in game options to Legacy, and you should be all done. However I can't promise it will feel any good, your sensitivity is like 4 times faster than mine to begin with, unless you have no desk space I would consider trying like half of it for a while to see how it feels. Good luck either way!

[zdfgzdfg]

34 minutes ago, stereo3D said:

you can easily see this in the calculator by setting the sensitivity to 1.

zooming in from FOV 120 to FOV 60 results in a sens reduction  of 50 % with MDH 100 % and 67 % with MDH 0 %

zooming in from FOV 100 to FOV 50 results in a sens reduction  of 50 % with MDH 100 % and 61 % with MDH 0 %

I can see that is true in calculator, but I am going to have to apply it in game and test it out with my mouse and eyes to get what it really means. Thanks for being patient with me on this one!

[Dawndrake]

20 hours ago, zdfgzdfg said:

You set it in the config file to whatever got calculated. In my example above it says under COD:

Multiplier 1: mouse_ads_yaw_ads_multiplier="0.47249"

 

I looked at your other posts and found your settings: Overwatch 13.01, 49.05% scope, 1200 dpi. If you wanted to try it the same way I did, first you get your COD hipfire sensitivity using cm/360 (called 360 distance in calculator):

So your hipfire sens for Black Ops 4 is "12.99880".

Now let's check ADS sensitivity:

So set your mouse_sensitivity="12.99880" and your mouse_ads_yaw_ads_multiplier="1.29451" in CORRECT COD config.ini, change ADS mode in game options to Legacy, and you should be all done. However I can't promise it will feel any good, your sensitivity is like 4 times faster than mine to begin with, unless you have no desk space I would consider trying like half of it for a while to see how it feels. Good luck either way! 

I know its not a usual sensitivity but I spent like an year practicing on it and I plan to keep it. I just want the exact conversiion for new games, which is why I am here.

Edited November 17, 2018 by Dawndrake

[Dawndrake]

Can you guys tell me which is the precice conversion?

 

[Dawndrake]

Here is the top part of the first image:

[Dawndrake]

Sorry for multiple posts but here is the problem I have: I have a small table and I don't have spare money to expand etc. Just assume for a while this is how my set up is going to be. Now in overwatch 13.01 is great for Soldier and Hanzo and for Widow a (high?) sensitivity like 49 works great for me at whatever fov that is. I am able ot do flick shots etc. Now in bo4 there seems to be multiple zoom options like 1.35, 1.75, 2, 3 and so on. At the higher zooms, I feel 49 or its bo4 equivalentis comfortable. But at the lower zooms suddenly the turnrate (at 49 or its bo4 equivalent) seems too slow.

 

How do I fix this?

[stereo3D]

1 hour ago, Dawndrake said:

At the higher zooms, I feel 49 or its bo4 equivalentis comfortable.

But at the lower zooms suddenly the turnrate (at 49 or its bo4 equivalent) seems too slow.

lower zoom = less fov reduction, right? so you're saying it's too slow with an elo sight but ok with a sniper scope?

what would you set the coefficient to, if you simply go by feel?

what's your zoom sens with ashe?

[Dawndrake]

On 17/11/2018 at 20:35, stereo3D said:

lower zoom = less fov reduction, right? so you're saying it's too slow with an elo sight but ok with a sniper scope?

what would you set the coefficient to, if you simply go by feel?

what's your zoom sens with ashe?

I am now going by the first option. I think everything is fine.

[Pyroxia]

I heard all cod games using %0MM deafult is it true? if its true what other games using %0 default ?

[schubi]

Is it better to have legacy / relative 0% Monitor Distance Coeeficient for muscle memory?

 

Or can i use any value and compensate it with ADS Horizontal Multiplier?

[potato psoas]

3 hours ago, schubi said:

Is it better to have legacy / relative 0% Monitor Distance Coeeficient for muscle memory?

 

Or can i use any value and compensate it with ADS Horizontal Multiplier?

Legacy and Relative 0% are the same thing.

Compensating by adjusting the ADS multiplier would be redundant as well.

[Bandes]

hello I have 15% ingame in BF4 what do i need to set for BOps 4 ? thank you for your help

[DPI Wizard]

4 hours ago, Bandes said:

hello I have 15% ingame in BF4 what do i need to set for BOps 4 ? thank you for your help

It depends on a lot of your other settings, mainly USA and FOV.

[Bandes]

Is that so right?

[DPI Wizard]

2 minutes ago, Bandes said:

Is that so right?

Yes, buy you should use the "All" aim option whenever available as it converts all sensitivities for the game instantly:

[sidtai817]

DPI Wizard, any chance that you know/have tested the FOVs of scopes in Blackout?

[pervysage]

Looks like the new 1.09 coming out soon will give us the ability to customize ADS sensitivities (regular, scoped, etc):

https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackops4/comments/a5431s/109_title_update_blackout_audio_armor_updates_mp/

"Added ADS Sensitivity Options for both high zoom optics and regular weapons."